abhijeet080808

Well, does not the Stunner FI cost some 14k bucks? FI is not that cheap!

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Payeng this is some good info, why dont you make a dedicated thread of this!
It will help a lot of us, it might get lost in this thread.
People can post 'official' times and the times measured by own using different tools etc!

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hell_glider

so you mean to say, that after dispensing with the FI unit, the 180,200 and the 220 should all be in the same ballpark range ??? then it either means somebody is getting ripped off, or it means bajaj is giving away the farm.

so which one is it ??

abhijeet080808

Well, I can tell you about 150/180. I have the parts catalog and not that many parts are different. Even then these parts are priced similarly. So, it is not that the bikes have to be priced that higher. 3k difference is ok. P220 had the huge price diff with P200 only due to the FI as well as projector headlamps. Now, they can be priced similarly.

So, no one is ripped off and no Bajaj is not running a charity - it is providing VFM products.

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hell_glider

so thats what...the projector headlamps might have to go too. and probably some other smaller bits and pieces.

which is what i said to begin with - that there were be serious differences with the current p220 in terms of feature list if the new one has to be priced at 70K odd levels.

satishg

My take on this one

This competition spirit among manufactures is good for the industry and consumers, but sales will be on the basis of quality of the product, support and parts availability. (for e.g.: Yamaha RX series is still a hot favorite among 2 S fans not only because it is a pocket rocket but also because of the ready availability OE spares and support, same reason why Shogun is so rare being such a beautiful machine)

Yamaha bikes are just 150 cc, we can’t compare with 220 cc. If Yamaha launch a 220 cc with same tech as R15 technically it will make > 25 bhp and will be doing > 180 km/hr ?????

Price @ 70k is interesting; Bajaj did some killer pricing tactics when they reintroduced KB125 as RTZ in the late 80.s.

By removing FI they are aiming on practicability and business than image

inflammable

Yes you are right. New P220 will have option of - With & Without Tail Light, with & without brakes, with & without handle... Just kidding.

Features... with Bajaj you cant expect decrease in features drastically. just FI has been replaced with Carb. Rest remains same.

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Introduction of DTSI in Pulsar UG I led to the elimination of catcon in the silencer. DTSI was that effective. Now, the catcon can be put back like it was in case of P150/180 Classic and they can easily meet emission norms! So, FI won't be needed in Bajaj DTSI bikes for a few more years!

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Satellite.kid

I have just taken easily over half n hour reading from page 1 till here!

And what I have seen so far is which brand is better than which brand and which bike is better than which bike! hehehe...

If Bajaj has really taken the FI out of their upcoming new P220, I don't know if it's good or bad, personally I would love for the FI to remain there! I love moving on with the technology. Logically, as many know here, if the emission norms are going to be firmer come 2010, then this FI-less new P220 might again see an upgrade very soon (which some people tend to dislike) to comply with future emission norms! Now having an FI will be easier to come terms with it. Let's see!

Personally I would love to see atleast all the bikes with 150cc and above to adopt FI sooner or later Its just like 2-strokers had their time, and that time is long gone. SAD? may be! but that's how it goes. Similarly their might be a time soon when most will have to go for FI, and for good and different reasons which a customer might not easily understand!!!

Some people say that it's good for P220 to go carb because it's easy to tune carb for performance. But friends, how many do u think perform effective modifications on their bikes for more performance? Very less. There are more people who like to keep their bikes stock, on xbhp too. I would! SO I would prefer a FI bike, because of its overall advantages on efficient engine performance!

So right now I have mixed feelings about this news that the upcoming new P220 might have carb! Infact, I am slightly more on the disappointment side!

Upgrades are meant to make the product better. I don't know how bajaj thinks of making the P220 better by removing the FI unit!!! In real world, FI definitely has advantages in different riding conditions over carb! So I don't know what they are trying to do here!! If keeping cost of P220 down is their main aim for making the P220 carb, then I am not happy. I would be happier that Bajaj improves the same FI-ed P220 and better make it expensive!!!

I'll wait and see.

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